The Catalyst: Sparking Creative Transformation in Healthcare

Empathy Is the Sugar That Helps the Medicine Go Down

“The best thing you can do is find out a person's experience first before you start coming up with solutions,” explains Ashok Bhattacharya, MD, FRCP. Dr. Bhattacharya has been a psychiatrist for over 36 years and is the founder of The Empathy Clinic, a private psychiatric clinic that focuses on the use of empathy to diagnose and treat a variety of mental illnesses in both individuals and couples. He fully believes that learning to treat patients with empathy puts humanity back into medicine. 
 
Empathy is crucial for proper diagnosis and treatment of mental illnesses because it helps practitioners get to the root of the problem. Doctors need to view things from their patients’ point of view in order to formulate the correct treatment. It can take time to develop the trust required for empathy, but it is worth the extra work to create that understanding. Dr. Bhattacharya believes disorders like PTSD and narcissism are empathy disorders and as such, can be healed through empathy. People with PTSD often feel isolated–thinking their experience cannot possibly be understood by others. But by showing these patients empathy, compassion, and kindness, they can learn to feel safe again and kickstart their healing journey. 
 
The problem with trying to put yourself in another person’s shoes is that you have not had their same life experiences. For true empathy to be established, you must get to know your patient’s story and build trust over time. Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to learn more about the healing power of empathy. Learn how to use empathy as a treatment model for mental illnesses and how it can make all the difference in patient outcomes. 
 
Quotes
• “The tough part with empathy is to negate yourself. That means thinking, ‘what would I do in that situation or if I were in their shoes?’ Those are sympathetic ways to look at somebody, but we're actually not in somebody else's shoes, because we're not them.” (4:06-4:25 | Ashok)
• “Empathy is getting the right answer. Compassion is formulating a solution. And kindness is what you actually do about that.” (6:20-6:27 | Ashok)
• “The best thing you can do is find out that person's experience first before you start coming up with solutions.” (6:52-6:59 | Ashok)
• “We have to look after our safety first, before we jump into that water and try to save somebody else. I think it's a really key thing. Empathy isn't necessarily a quick thing. It can happen very quickly, but it can also take us time. And I think if we rush it, we actually break trust.” (10:54-11:11 | Ashok)
• “We see our clients, we start calling them patients, and we start treating them like the illness that they have. And psychiatry is particularly bad because we call a human being a schizophrenic as opposed to a human who happens to have schizophrenia. And so now that disease has become their entire identity.” (16:54-17:11 | Ashok)
• “When we put humanity back into medicine, you know what happens? People get better faster and they stay well longer, because now we're putting wellness into the story instead of illness into the story.” (17:36-17:51 | Ashok)
• “Empathy is a way of not just sharing with each other in real time, but also sharing with each other when we're gone so that we can continue that experience of making the human condition shareable.” (35:09-35:21 | Ashok)
 
Links
 
Connect with Ashok Bhattacharya:
Website: https://www.empathyclinic.com
LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashok-bhattacharya-687a6211
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPRzM30XZ8uscgGEx1wnEtQ
 
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The Role of Ancient Wisdom (Shamanism) In Healing

“There's so many wonderful things that have happened as a result of science and civilization,” says Aviva Gold, MFA, MPS, LCMSW. Aviva has over 35 years of experience working in art medicine inspiring others to heal through the creation of art and connecting with the magic of the universe. She shares ways to incorporate shamanism, or ancient wisdom, into healing and how to embrace creating art without worrying about how the finished project will look. 
 
The patriarchy has spent thousands of years trying to discredit shamanism because of an inherent fear of death and the natural order of things. However, people are intrinsically connected with nature and are missing out on an opportunity for greater connection and healing by turning away from it. Science and civilization have brought great things to the world, but have also caused a disconnect between humans and nature, making it more difficult for humans to accept the magic of being one with the Earth and one another. Art provides a way for humans to reconnect with the magic within themselves and to receive messages from the universe. By learning how to play and make art for fun, you can unlock previously inaccessible pathways to healing. 
 
Shamanism can work hand in hand with allopathic medicine for a more balanced approach to healing. Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to learn more about the ancient wisdom of Shamanism and how to apply it to your own life. Learn simple art therapy practices for reconnecting to the magic within yourself in spite of the patriarchy working hard to keep that connection severed. 
 
Quotes
• “A medical issue, a symptom, a diagnosis, or whatever you want to call it has not only an emotional root, but also has a spiritual root.” (13:40-13:58 | Aviva)
• “Even if this foolhardy patriarchy kills our species, life is gonna happen again. And it is happening somewhere else in the universe.” (25:55-26:08 | Aviva)
• “There's so many wonderful things that have happened as a result of science and civilization. It's keeping the core of the magic and all the other stuff that just stops the magic and all the inventions and all the discoveries from really helping that needs to be peeled away.” (27:09-27:37 | Aviva)
• “You have the connection with the Earth and it's in you.” (35:31-35:37 | Aviva)
 
Links
 
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Website: www.PaintingFromTheSource.com
 
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Growing During Adversity

“In front of trauma or adversity, you need to decide what is your next step. Are you planning to complain about how unlucky you are? Or are you planning to take advantage of the situation, take responsibility for your actions and your emotions, and do something?”, shares Dr. Miriam Zylberglait, also known as Dr. Z. Dr. Z. is a triple time board certified physician in internal medicine, geriatrics and obesity medicine. She is a certified mental health ally and is currently working on her first book about positive and negative catalysts, growth, and well being. She notes three catalysts for sending her in her current direction- her mother’s dementia, her children’s fears for her own mortality working as a physician during the pandemic, and witnessing her residents suffering from a lack of diversity and inclusion in the workplace. 
 
People tend to be resistant to restarting or changing things in their lives, because they are trying to live on a linear path and are afraid to fail. However, Dr. Z. has found that it is much more effective to live in cycles. Instead of focusing only on resiliency and maintaining the status quo in the face of adversity, she recommends trying to learn and grow from trauma, even if that means embracing change. It is always easier to act like a victim and complain, but in order to really move forward and grow, you must take responsibility for your own actions and emotions. Make a plan to do something to change the situation and learn from those experiences. That way even adversity can become something positive. 
 
There are actually a lot of opportunities for second chances in life if you are willing to look for and embrace them. Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to learn more about how to see trauma and adversity as an opportunity for growth. Find out more about living cyclically, accepting the risk for failure, and welcoming change. 
 
Quotes
• “I feel like the majority of us, we feel very afraid of changing our paths or going through life because of their risk of failing and in the type of life that we live that is so linear, right? If you fail, there is no back. No second opportunities in theory. The truth of life is not like that. In reality, we have second opportunities, we have options to change our paths, right? We just need to be aware of that.” (8:58-9:28 | Dr. Z.) 
• “You may have a medical condition, or you might be a minority like I am, or maybe you are poor, or you have a disability. But even though these may delay your journey, they may also expose you to the opportunity to learn the skills to be creative, to find other ways to do things, therefore, to grow.” (12:08-12:33 | Dr. Z.) 
• “In front of trauma or adversity, you need to decide what is your next step. Are you planning to complain about how unlucky you are? How mean people live? How unfair is the world? Or are you planning to take one advantage of the situation, two take responsibility for your actions and your emotions, and three, do something?” (24:14-24:39 | Dr. Z.)
 
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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/drzmd
 
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Empowering Women to Regain Control of Their Hormones

“We are really excited to flip the narrative on midlife women's health. Women deserve more and we deserve to enjoy this part of our lives to the fullest and rock menopause,” shares Dr. Polly Watson, functional medicine OBGYN and menopause specialist. Dr. Polly was inspired to work in women’s health after witnessing her mother’s frustrating care experiences with her own OBGYN when she went into early menopause at 38. Dr. Polly was further inspired by her difficulties advocating for her own health when her PCOS diagnosis was invalidated by her doctors.
 
Being in traditional women’s health, Dr. Polly found that clients were coming to her with bags of supplements and questions she did not know the answers to. She made the decision to fill those educational gaps and became licensed in functional medicine to better help her clients. Through her member-based functional medicine practice, Dr. Polly flips the script on menopause and shows women how to reclaim their power over their health.
 
Menopause has a bad reputation and many women fear the transition because they lack understanding of what it really involves. Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to learn more about menopause, the immense role of hormones in women’s health, and how functional medicine can help meet the needs of women that often fall through the cracks in traditional Western healthcare. 
 
Quotes
• “I'm really inspired by my own journey, my mom's journey, and trying to create a space where women are heard so that they can get some power back in that relationship.” (5:00-5:17 | Polly)
• “Instead of having the transition to menopause being the beginning of the end, could we flip this and say, ‘Hey, this is a great transition. I have given my body a chance to be a reproductive female, a nursing mother, and all of these things. And now this third to maybe half of my life, my body is mine again.” (11:13-11:41 | Polly) 
• “Let's make this be about women rocking this second chapter of their lives, rather than ‘Oh, well, you're over 40. You're gonna be fat and tired. It's all downhill from there’.” (12:17-12:28 | Polly) 
• “The thing that I love about functional medicine is that the patient gets their power back. I can't go home with them and tell them when to go to bed, or what to put on their plate, or that it's time to meditate now. When they reclaim responsibility for their own care, and they reclaim their responsibility for making these health affirming choices all throughout their day, then they get their power back.” (23:03-23:33 | Polly)
 
Links
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Website: https://hormonewellnessmd.com/
 
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Finding Your Flow in Other Facets of Your Life

“Even as adults, I think a lot of people really want to be published, but it's such a journey, and you have to enjoy it,” shares Natalie Rompella, middle school teacher and children’s author. Natalie’s Masters in Education and background in science combined with her love of teaching children took her down a path to publishing more than 60 children’s books. Her chemistry professor encouraged Natalie to publish the picture book she had created for her final class project and the rest is history. Natalie now teaches various levels of creative writing and helps kids learn how to lean into their creativity and write something besides nonfiction essays. 
 
Publishing does not always have to be the goal behind writing. Writing as a creative exercise has merit in itself for both adults and children, encouraging mindfulness and using the imagination to stretch the limits of what is possible. When people learn how to write for fun, they are also learning how to let go. Adults have a bad habit of getting so caught up in their busy lives that they don’t take time to be creative just for fun. So, it is important to give creative writing a chance and allow your creativity a chance to flow. 
 
Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to learn more about Natalie’s catalytic moment, the benefits of creative writing, and how to go with the flow. 
 
Quotes
• “A lot of kids who write science fiction end up going into the fields of science and technology. And I had just never made that connection of science-fiction is what's possible.” (6:29-6:42 | Natalie)
• “Even as adults, I think a lot of people go into it, they really want to be published, but it's such a journey, and you have to enjoy it.” (14:26-14:34 | Natalie)
• “It took me 15 years to finally realize I write the best first thing in the morning. So I was not using the time I was most productive. I had to really be mindful and think about when am I most productive? When do I feel the most creative?” (21:39-21:57 | Natalie)
• “When you write, you have to get to a point where you have pride in what you wrote. Where you want to not necessarily share it with other people, but you want to hold on to it.” (25:34-25:44 | Natalie)
 
Links
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When You Have No Words, Prescribe Creativity

“Creativity gets pooh-poohed a lot, but it's just a different way to process. Some people don't have words,” explains Cheryl Paswater, Certified Holistic Health Coach and Functional Wellness Practitioner. Cheryl knew she wanted to be an artist from early in her childhood, and her creative mind opened her up to seeing the world differently. When she became sick, she realized that none of her doctors were thinking outside the box or trying anything new. Instead, she was being prescribed more and more medications, and she knew there had to be a better way. This led her down the path of functional medicine and fermentation. 
 
Cheryl saw the healing power of creativity first hand while working as a resident artist at a hospital helping patients to recapture the ability to play and overcome their fears of making mistakes. It is not always easy for people to find the right words to process their emotions. Creativity provides endless possibilities for expressing those hard to process emotions. Often people are anxious about trying art because they think it needs to look a certain way in the end, but Cheryl helps her clients be more open to the creative process by first teaching them to open their minds to trying new things. She draws parallels between the processes of creating and healing and explains that neither process belongs in a box. 
 
Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to learn more about the healing power of creativity, how to process difficult emotions through art, and why practitioners need to think outside the box regarding patient care. 
 
Quotes
• “Our world would be better if we all were curious, open minded, and learned how to prioritize play and creativity as the way to process emotions and feelings when we can't find the words.” (1:19-1:30 | Lara)
• “Nobody was trying any other way of helping me get better. They're just putting me on more inhalers, and more antibiotics, and more steroids.” (7:07-7:17 | Cheryl)
• “I was so committed to getting well that I was willing to give up my housing because I couldn't afford to do both.” (11:30-11:39 | Cheryl)
• “We have completely ventured away from the process, the willingness to touch, the willingness to make mistakes, and the willingness to actually play. When do we just get the enjoyment of doing something without having to be like the outcome is X, Y and Z?” (19:29-19:53 | Cheryl)
• “You will get people who will say no to you. Every day or every week, for a year and a half. And then all of a sudden, one day it's a yes because they see you working with other people.” (24:46-25:04 | Cheryl)
• “Do something every day that scares the shit out of you.” (36:13-36:15 | Cheryl)
 
Links
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Websites: 
www.cherylpaswaterfunctionalmed.com 
www.contrabandferments.com
 
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The Physician Who’s Conquering the Online Space, and Bringing Colleagues Along

“One person can't make a difference, but many can. And so what I'm doing is I'm trying to not only give doctors a voice, but I'm trying to give them the fuel they need to feel empowered to continue building up their brand,” explains Dana Corriel, MD. Dana is the founder and CEO of SoMeDocs, a social media hub for physicians to get recognized and hired for their talents outside of healthcare through mediums like podcasting, writing, speaking, educating, and coaching. She is a former board certified internist who realized that while she could not fix things in the healthcare system alone,  having a network of colleagues could make all the difference in the world. 
 
Healthcare workers often work within an overarching organization and do not get as recognized for their individual talents. If they shift hospitals or careers, their reputation may not follow them since it is strictly attached to the organization. Through social media marketing, physicians can make a name for themselves as individuals by creating content and building a brand that they can take with them into any new job. When doctors recognize their talents and have the opportunity to foster them, it can lead to amazing opportunities working in fields outside of healthcare.
 
Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to learn more about SoMeDocs, why social media marketing is so important for physicians, and what types of side gigs doctors can excel in with their current expertise and talents. 
 
Quotes
• “One person can't make a difference, but many can. And so what I'm doing is I'm trying to give doctors not only a voice, but I'm trying to give them amplification fuel, so that they can feel empowered, and they can continue to build up their brand. So all of us can individually make a difference.” (7:12-7:34 | Dana)
• “You're a representative of the system, but you're still an individual.” (10:55-10:58 | Dana) 
• “I am for physician individuality. The health experts themselves need to create content and take that content with them where they go. And they need to consider themselves as individuals or individual micro celebrities that then take all of the branding and the content that they've built, and they take it with them to the next job.” (11:19-11:42 | Dana)
• “Opportunities were coming my way at the beginning, like heavily coming my way. At which point I said, Well, I not only can't do this myself, but why don't they come to my colleagues? Let me make it easier for them to get to my colleagues by building a categorized website that's beautiful, but that splits us up according to our niches and our specialties, where we practice, etc, etc.” (13:38-14:01 | Dana)
• “I think physicians not only are multitalented, I think they don't always recognize that they have talents in different things. And it takes this newfound discovery that we should be doing other things in today's world because healthcare isn't perfect to recognize that you have a talent in something.” (17:40-17:59 | Dana)
 
Links
Doctors of Social Website: www.doctorsonsocialmedia.com
Dr. Dana Corriel Website:  www.drcorriel.com
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The Community Cure

“Not only do you solve loneliness in the groups, but you actually create a structure whereby new behaviors can be implemented as a norm within the group,” shares James Maskell, Creator of The Functional Forum and Author of The Community Cure. James created a community system for functional medicine practitioners and patients with chronic diseases that is virtual, accessible, and provides group-based care. James realized that groups were necessary for treating chronic disease because people are more successful when they have a support system backing them and because the real healing happens in between doctor’s appointments during day to day life. 
 
Many people who suffer with chronic illnesses such as autoimmune diseases, do not believe they can be cured. Having a group around them that is supportive and truly believes they can reverse their disease is pivotal for patients’ mindsets. Loneliness is linked to worse health outcomes, so a group setting can help by reducing loneliness in chronically ill patients. It is also useful for creating structure and reinforcing healthy behaviors that may not be as easy to stick with individually. 
 
Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to learn more about the community care model of functional medicine and the incredible success rate these programs have for treating and reversing chronic diseases. 
 
Quotes
• “The first question that I asked is, ‘Is chronic disease reversible?’ And I think that has to be the foundation question. Because if chronic disease is going up like this, and the cost of chronic disease is going up like this, then ultimately, we have to really understand what is chronic disease? Where does it come from? How is it different from acute disease? And how do we get people out of it?” (3:59-4:19 | James) 
• “Not only do you solve loneliness in the groups, but you actually create a structure where new behaviors can be implemented as a norm within the group.” (13:20-13:29 | James)
• “If you create a whole episode of care that uses Zooms and allows people to connect in between the Zooms, that whole episode can be more effective than coming to a location every week. And the reason for that is that in between the Zooms, is where health happens.” (14:52-15:09 | James)
• “You can create new profit centers on insurance and reduce burnout by taking the time element that's needed for behavior change, put it on the group, so you can focus on your precision work.” (44:39-44:52 | James)
 
Links
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A Uniquely Colorful Psychiatric Medical Career That’s Beyond “Paint by Number”

“We need to remember to leave room for the magic,” shares Dr. Holly MacKenna, board certified psychiatrist. Dr. MacKenna has 20 years of experience working as an integrative trauma-informed psychiatrist in New Orleans helping patients through a mixture of traditional Western practices and Eastern influences like reiki and acupuncture. She formed her approach through learning about integrative medicine and gaining access to other female healers that she did not have exposure to during her time in medical school. 
 
Western medicine tends to place too much emphasis on data, the subsequent results of that data, insurance companies, and the exchange of money which leads to a disconnect between providers and patients. By giving herself permission to be human and take a more integrative approach to the body and mind connection, Dr. MacKenna is able to form a deeper relationship with her patients. She brings together practices like mindfulness, prayer or spirituality, reiki, acupuncture, and traditional Western medicine to form a more comprehensive package of psychiatric care. By opening up to that connectivity with the universe and one another, Dr. MacKenna helps her patients explore both the masculine and feminine energies within themselves to reach a more robust state of healing. 
 
Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to hear more about integrative psychiatry and how it differs from traditional Western practices. 
 
Quotes
• “We need to remember to leave room for the magic.” (14:48-14:50 | Holly)
• “What often happens in western medicine, especially in that organizational kind of insurance driven model, is that masculine side, that data, that collecting money, that needing to justify to the insurance company, that takes over in a way that doesn't allow for the magic. And it gets away from the relationship between the provider, physician, therapists, whomever and the patient who this is all supposed to be about.” (17:14-17:49 | Holly)
• “There's some power in allowing myself to be a human in the room and to really be a partner with the patient.” (25:28-25:33 | Holly)
• “The beauty of my  journey with integrative medicine is that it's really allowed me to find what I didn't realize I was missing, which is female mentors and a lot of female healers. I just didn't have that in medical school and in my traditional training so much. It just shows how important representation is.” (36:58-37:18 | Holly)
• “When we allow ourselves to heal as healers, and we allow ourselves to really explore our own source, our own connectivity to the planet and universe, that is going to naturally allow us to evolve in a way that's going to be beneficial to those that we are trying to help.” (40:25-40:43 | Holly)
 
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Thriving After Loss With Grief Wellness

“What I learned after being in these trauma classes is how much it is a massage for the nervous system, through muscle tissue,” explains Marelda Rodrigues, Certified NeuroMuscular Therapist and Functional Medicine Certified Health Coach. Marelda is a massage therapist and wellness educator and the founder of Grief Massage and Wellness. She created the grief massage after a client came to her for help with the grief she had been experiencing since the death of her daughter. 
 
Grief has a profound effect on the human body, particularly in the central nervous system. Our nervous system is designed to look for and recognize threats and respond in a way that protects us. However, experiencing trauma causes the nervous system to feel like there is always a threat and this keeps our bodies on high alert. The more trauma and grief build up with consecutive losses, the more unregulated the nervous system becomes. A grief massage serves as a way to release the tension from the nervous system and help people process their emotions. 
 
Tune into this week’s episode of The Catalyst to hear more about how massage therapy can be used to heal the central nervous system after experiencing grief. 
 
Quotes
• “Part of me has been trained through all the years of self development to be the participant and the observer of my experiences. And so I put myself in that mode, was able to take enough notes to figure out what I was doing, and from there, came grief massage.” (6:16-6:33 | Marelda)
• “Trauma has an element of grief, but not all grief is trauma. While not all grief is trauma, if you have had a background in trauma, and it hasn't been correctly regulated, it will come and clash with a grief that may not have trauma in it.” (11:58-12:22 | Marelda)
• “I say this is what emotional release is because I think sometimes people are very threatened by the fact that they may be just sobbing and crying in this massage session. So I let them know that the best thing they can do is come in with the emotion of curiosity. And to stay curious because there is no way to predict that it's only going to be crying.” (19:28-19:53 | Marelda)
 
Links
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Website: https://mareldarodrigues.com/
 
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